Comments - MUCH ADO ABOUT EVERYTHING (An Epistemologist's Approximation) - Temple Illuminatus2024-03-29T09:47:13Zhttps://templeilluminatus.ning.com/profiles/comment/feed?attachedTo=6363372%3ABlogPost%3A1637263&xn_auth=noheyyo Redbeard Blueeye! (if'…tag:templeilluminatus.ning.com,2015-12-29:6363372:Comment:30860472015-12-29T06:09:46.024ZGrigori Rho Gharveynhttps://templeilluminatus.ning.com/profile/GrigoriRhoGharveyn
<p>heyyo Redbeard Blueeye! <em>(if'n you have yer eyes on in here)</em>...</p>
<p>sorry we dropped out of communication here nearly a year ago. Can't ever seem to stay awake as long as we might like. Fortunately we eventually start waking up again; lets hope we can stay awake longer this time...</p>
<p>Alas we kinda just burn out a lot...</p>
<p>c'este la vie, and free feel to share anything on yer minds, as manythink as ye must....</p>
<p><em>(doublethink is simply not enoughthink,…</em></p>
<p>heyyo Redbeard Blueeye! <em>(if'n you have yer eyes on in here)</em>...</p>
<p>sorry we dropped out of communication here nearly a year ago. Can't ever seem to stay awake as long as we might like. Fortunately we eventually start waking up again; lets hope we can stay awake longer this time...</p>
<p>Alas we kinda just burn out a lot...</p>
<p>c'este la vie, and free feel to share anything on yer minds, as manythink as ye must....</p>
<p><em>(doublethink is simply not enoughthink, lol)...</em></p>
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<p>Enjoy!</p> Ah, thanks for the explanatio…tag:templeilluminatus.ning.com,2015-01-27:6363372:Comment:29119192015-01-27T11:54:22.215ZGrigori Rho Gharveynhttps://templeilluminatus.ning.com/profile/GrigoriRhoGharveyn
<p>Ah, thanks for the explanation Redbeard Blueye,</p>
<p>We guess we are something of a 'natural' for double-thinking.</p>
<p>Holding contradictory beliefs is rough, but we think most people do so, albeit usually non-consciously. Being aware of having contradictory beliefs can be a problem at times, but it's often necessary to hold many competing beliefs until they can be evaluated, selected or rejected.</p>
<p>We have done a lot of channeling, but unlike Melchizedek we cannot claim any…</p>
<p>Ah, thanks for the explanation Redbeard Blueye,</p>
<p>We guess we are something of a 'natural' for double-thinking.</p>
<p>Holding contradictory beliefs is rough, but we think most people do so, albeit usually non-consciously. Being aware of having contradictory beliefs can be a problem at times, but it's often necessary to hold many competing beliefs until they can be evaluated, selected or rejected.</p>
<p>We have done a lot of channeling, but unlike Melchizedek we cannot claim any source entities' names. If Thoth is among the entities we have channeled, we cannot say one way or another, but we do receive a lot of stuff regarding ancient Egypt.</p>
<p>One thing we believe we have learned about channeling is that the channeler is stuck with their own vocabulary and cultural conditioning which can alter whatever might be intended by the entity being channeled. Consequently, it is important to examine the channeler's conceptual limitations and cultural biases to help interpret what they claim to be saying on behalf of whatever entity they may speak for.</p>
<p>With regard to ancient Egypt, we are quite sure we existed there in various incarnations, but it was a much different sort of civilization than humans from contemporary western cultures may be prepared to understand.</p>
<p>As we seem to recall, all 'people' in the ancient Egyptian civilization were members of a vast collective consciousness. There were millions of individual bodies but only a single shared mind. Each body had a unique history with memories related to its own experiences, but no sense of being an individual person set apart from the collective. A sense of possessing a separate individual consciousness or ego may not have evolved until much later; closer, perhaps, to 3000 bc or so...</p>
<p>All 'people' participated in all the experiences of all other people. Concepts such as privacy and personal property were unthinkable; all property, including all people, belonged to the collective whole. Distribution of food, goods, and weapons, etc, was focused upon the best lineages to produce leaders and heroes who required the best nutrition, tools, etc, in order to function at peak performance, but these superior members were still parts of the collective whole, no one resented their special privileges because everyone experienced them even though not everyone's body received them.</p>
<p>'Slaves' dined upon a pharaoh's meals in their perceptions even if their own meals were only bread and water.</p>
<p>Whatever could be experienced by any physically separate body was experienced simultaneously by all.</p>
<p>Two things changed this, size and complexity. Eventually it became more efficient to 'house' parts of the collective consciousness in separate forms for specialized work such as metallurgy, or apothecary; the reservation of physical assets for individual specialists emerged and helped begin the descent from a collectivized civilization to an individualized society capable of making war with itself.</p>
<p>No texts or hieroglyphs were necessary until the descent into individuation began and information became more compartmentalized rather than being universally shared. Likewise no monumental structures were required until individuation threatened to end the collective mind.</p>
<p>The pyramids, etc, were raised to help preserve their histories and cultural identity, and to help maintain the focus of their group mentalities against the diversification that was undermining their collective identity.</p>
<p>Or so we seem to remember...</p>
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<p>Enjoy!</p> Hmm...
1984, we read it long…tag:templeilluminatus.ning.com,2015-01-25:6363372:Comment:29108762015-01-25T15:34:30.224ZGrigori Rho Gharveynhttps://templeilluminatus.ning.com/profile/GrigoriRhoGharveyn
<p>Hmm...</p>
<p>1984, we read it long ago, so we forgot much, alas. We might want to read it again if you are offering "new world order or old world chaos" as an example of doublethink from the book.</p>
<p>We are pretty sure that not all cyborgs are tyrants, but perhaps some of their paradigms appear tyrannical. How do we support 10 billion people on Earth? We'll have that many in 50 years if it all doesn't collapse along the way or trigger WW3. It will take some pretty precise…</p>
<p>Hmm...</p>
<p>1984, we read it long ago, so we forgot much, alas. We might want to read it again if you are offering "new world order or old world chaos" as an example of doublethink from the book.</p>
<p>We are pretty sure that not all cyborgs are tyrants, but perhaps some of their paradigms appear tyrannical. How do we support 10 billion people on Earth? We'll have that many in 50 years if it all doesn't collapse along the way or trigger WW3. It will take some pretty precise engineering and management to keep that many folk happy and healthy.</p>
<p>As for the whips of religion and government, add one more, organized crime, which these days may include nearly all large corporations.</p>
<p>Dunno Melchizedek and not drawn into their work by a quick search in Google. We still have issues with authority figures, so Christianity running things sounds like a bad idea, unless we are talking some very esoteric form of Christianity that is comfortable away from bible thumping, proselytizing, and ruling humanity.</p>
<p>Gotta be careful about these tv shows, they don't produce them without some deep purpose, a purpose deeper than advertising dollars, to be sure. Without seeing the program ourselves we can't be sure what you refer to by "square grid layed out with radioactive aluminum".</p>
<p>One thing, destroying the grid products won't destroy the grid. We would say that if there are indeed radioactive aluminum squares, that these squares were attracted to be present along these grid intersections and the lines that radiate out from them.</p>
<p>Of course geometric radiation and atomic radiation are very different entities, and we can't trust some folks not to get them confused.</p>
<p>In any event, until the new world order marches in, there can be no planetary agreement regarding whether destroying these square grids layed out with radioactive aluminum should be attempted. Sounds risky; where we gonna dump the radioactive waste for one thing? Would some of it get into the atmosphere?</p>
<p>If David Icke were to be believed then we suppose he might say that the whole purpose of destroying the aluminum squares is to try to interfere with the aliens plans for the emergence of a new world order, whatever that may really be. However, Icke also says the aliens are converting our atmosphere to suit themselves, so maybe someone wants these squares destroyed in order to aerosolize the radioactive aluminum and distribute it across the planet.</p>
<p>As for Thoth assisting with one of these grids or squares, can you please elaborate? We've no idea where to look for info on that, Crowley is a very difficult read for us. But then we have trouble with anything resembling a manual or textbook.</p>
<p>As for malevolent aliens, we have enough of those in our public schools; we used to be a malevolent alien as we recall... perhaps we still are?</p>
<p>Totally uncivilized, some of 'em…</p>
<p>We are caught between the mutually attractive poles of order and chaos. Personally, we prefer chaos, except where it may interfere with the general welfare of life on planet Earth, and beyond.</p>
<p>From our personal points of views we know we will achieve that 10 billion humans high-water mark and that then the global population will finally level off. We’ve seen it happen, and we are satisfied it’s a good thing. Peace, plenty, and a universe opening up as we step out to the stars.</p>
<p>So we will encounter plenty of aliens, and no doubt they all have schemes for some sort of grand universal order or chaos thingy. We’ve also seen where aliens congregate by the millions or billions to dicker, clique, and mediate; it's pure cacophony if you have your ears on in there.</p>
<p>Anyways...</p>
<p>As far as we are concerned, our teams have successfully infiltrated the new world order elitists and will throw a nearly bloodless coup at the last moment before everything can go bat-shit crazy. We would prefer an entirely bloodless coup, but David Icke and his friends are arming and training to shed blood; alas, the armies of the elitists they hope to put down are much better armed and better trained. Fortunately, we expect them to join our coup.</p>
<p>Even more fortunately, we will win, but our ‘win’ will be by a consensus of the global population with no one excluded from participation or given the wrong voting materials. Yeah we have to scan pretty deep to get the more reluctant folk to participate, but they will, and from some of our points of views, they already have.</p>
<p>The real power comes from all people, it always has. Power was collected and abused by tyrants, and even democracies still abuse it, like our own good old USA. Democracy is too often just a tyranny by an ad-hoc majority against their various minorities.</p>
<p>But that will change, as so much already has.</p>
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<p>Enjoy!</p> Hi Redbeard Blueeye,
We see y…tag:templeilluminatus.ning.com,2015-01-24:6363372:Comment:29104872015-01-24T01:11:56.627ZGrigori Rho Gharveynhttps://templeilluminatus.ning.com/profile/GrigoriRhoGharveyn
<p>Hi Redbeard Blueeye,</p>
<p>We see you fly the flag of what might be our favorite tarot. We gave a lot of psychic readings with dear old Thoth, but Thoth is more than a tool for reading, Thoth assists with magick as well.</p>
<p>Regarding Orwellian terms, we are familiar enough with newspeak, but do not recall doublethink. Is doublethink from a different dystopian dream or did you coin it yourself?</p>
<p>As applied to much ado about everything, we are definitely not speaking newspeak. We…</p>
<p>Hi Redbeard Blueeye,</p>
<p>We see you fly the flag of what might be our favorite tarot. We gave a lot of psychic readings with dear old Thoth, but Thoth is more than a tool for reading, Thoth assists with magick as well.</p>
<p>Regarding Orwellian terms, we are familiar enough with newspeak, but do not recall doublethink. Is doublethink from a different dystopian dream or did you coin it yourself?</p>
<p>As applied to much ado about everything, we are definitely not speaking newspeak. We aren't out to eliminate any words, concepts, avenues of thought, or neighborhoods of beliefs. </p>
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<p>Doublethink, as we imagine its meaning to purport, might be closer, but not close enough to Allthink, which might be part of what we were aiming for; alas someone may have already coined allthink for some different purpose and meaning.</p>
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<p>We were thinking of this piece about everything as a sort of filter, similar to most things we write. The filter is to see who can follow our thoughts with enough interest to get in touch by responding.</p>
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<p>But there is a deeper purpose than simply filtering, and that purpose is to loosen up a reader's self-imposed limits on their own thoughts and perceptions, to get readers to relax their whatisandwhatain'tsos a bit.</p>
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<p>More than a few arguments have ended in bloodshed if not decades of warfare over whatisandwhatain'tso. A person might never know when their expressed beliefs have cost them a job promotion, or have marginalized them in their favorite social circles. whatisanwhatain'tsos have ended romances and broken up families.</p>
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<p>Our philosophy might be 'with everything to argue about, why argue about anything?'. Or maybe not.</p>
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<p>Perhaps we just want folks to consider a wider range of possibilities than they are habituated to believe in.</p>
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<p>Or perhaps we only hope to find a friend or two.</p>
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<p>Who knows?</p>
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<p>We certainly do not know, and if we did, would it ever really do anyone any good?</p>
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<p>Enjoy!</p>