From my understanding of angels they are neither good nor evil but the bringers of divine will or that which places the events and circumstance to evolve before us. Even in the Jesus story there is a sense of completion within the pattern of events. That jesus (I.e. whomsoever was meant by the passages) knew fully of events to come and would not have been wanting to change them no matter how horrid the circumstance. I can relate to this and I see the archangels as charged with the unfolding of the great work. It is very hard to drink the poison cup of Socraties or the seeds of Persephone but death and darkness are part of us all. We know when we take the poison cup at least unconsciously some of us consciously but by that stage we know we have to drink from it because it is our part in the time and play of the great work. Given wholly to the creative force it is a bitter pleasure. Angels are part of good and part of bad. Or better put they are above both. They unfold the scrolls and set forth with strong voice the will of the Goddess, Comfort those whose time has come, watch and bare witness to the will of the great architect of the universe. They over flow with compassion and are the most vengeful of warriors because they answer wholly to the divine. There is nothing that can stop them in their work. I am indebted to them for their comfort in times of darkness. And their love in times of light. There is nothing they will not give, and nothing they cannot take away. ♡ just thoughts
funnily enough, I have made a video about this "beyond good and evil" perspective today, I will post it here as well as on my own pages too when it has uploaded to YouBoob :)
I argue that in order to understand the self from the moment we are born via the process of a natal chart, we have to be mindful of the fact that the energies we are given at that time are from the galactic consciousness which is beyond our Earthly affairs like values - such as "good" and "bad".
Essential Dignities and Aspects in my personal method and process of astrology are to be read in a way that results in a neutral, detached summary of how best those energies can be expressed by the individual from the understanding of what I call the "base dignities" (effects of the angles of each heavenly object) and the intuition of the person reading the chart to best select the dignities that fit a recurring pattern from the objective of the chart - in the method of Horary Astrology, we take a question or decision from a specific point in time and compare the natal chart to the transits at that time and then we determine from our judgements how best to handle a decision, or to be aware of every possible outcome based on how those energies have been expressing themselves from the individuals experience.
I also give some tips about how best to direct a chart reading - by having some life experience to navigate the chart and by having a specific question, we can map out the psyche and give a resolution to the person having their chart analyzed.
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Great thoughts, Robert, and that is my conception of Angels, and we could as well, become like them, when we Serve Life , rather than any agendas of our own.
In Kabbalah we say that the Angels have straight legs, because they do not veer to one side or the other, they follow Divine Law, fallen angels may be something different, and we seem to be those!
We are bent in not following but our own will.
But free will was given to us, and we must suffer thereby.
Interesting thread. :)
Evil: A simplistic, but somehow indispensable, word. Better would be the words derived from forms of malice: "A desire to harm others or to see others suffer and extreme ill will or spite."
So, perhaps in the context of discarnate beings, like angels, the latter would apply more exactly.
Over ten years ago, I involved myself in an early web esoteric forum and got to know a member pretty well, internet wise anyway, who had became famous in some circles, or infamous in others, in trying to tell the truth about Azrael. She claimed to have been in very personal contact with him since early childhood and that he was upset to heartbreak with how his modern thought of persona had been reduced to a cruel death bringing monster worshipped by blood drinkers, psuedo-vampires and various Goth style people, when he actually was a caring and gentle nuturer who only helps protect and lead us out of here at death. This may sound comical to many, but I will assure what she related in detail was compelling.
Now, this was no kid on a fantasy online for attention. She's an Israeli Jew in NYC well versed in Hebrew modern and ancient, academically also, confers with her homeland's institutional scholars, is well up on Hebrew ancient lore and myth and adept enough at Kabbalah to hold her own in any venue. Even if her visitation stories (these are not 'channelings' or dreams by any means) are fabrications, she proves her point by documented historical proof, easily.
It's been so long, the forum has been deleted, I've forgotten her name, and there was, ah, of course a lot of trouble to her, especially out of New Orleans where a bloody rite temple group was really threatening her for 'degrading' their beloved monster angel. :/
You must have been reading from me in real time when I deleted and re-posted to add her "credentials." I myself have experinced entites purporting to be what they're not, in vivid dreaming, deceased relatives in particular, but these were little tricksters out for mischief and easily discerned. My friend way back insisted this was the Archangel, not winged and garbed in glory, but appearing as a tall and beautiful man in modern clothes. Of course, only she knows the truth in this without other witnesses.
Her adversaries just may well have been fooled as you say, but from what I saw of the worst, were just caught in the latter days of the Goth craze and had the usual mis-info about Azrael. As in:
Robert, I think that we think very much alike!
To me, we are creating this World as we go along, even though we were born with certain elements or characteristics, because of the unfinished jobs of other lifetimes, we are responsible of everything that we are and whatever happens in our lives have nothing to do with where the stars or anything else is, but with our own design, because that is how the Universe really works, there is nothing but cause and effect, and no one else to blame for anything.
I think we move the stars instead of them moving us!
We also create the Angels, because we are Creator Gods/Goddesses.
They are truly indicators to us of where we are at!
And the beauty of the Angels is that they do not have an agenda of their own, and they just fufill the Law, the Divine Law of this Universe.
Good and evil are just of this dimension, but we can go beyond it, and understand that they are only concepts, and that as Nemus says, they are part of the interplay of energies, what is good could turn into evil and the end result may be good, and so the wheel goes. Beyond it, there is no judgement as to those opposites, and everything reconciles and just is!
We go back to the tree of life, then!