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Permalink Reply by Bruce Maughs on October 18, 2011 at 4:06pm Hey Devin,
Remember that most meat has hormones and antibiotics from the animals.... Well antibiotics are sort of a targeted poison to certain things in us... So after your doctor for instance gives you antibiotics, there is a yogurt or pro-biotic regimen that health specialists advise people to do
Love and Light
Permalink Reply by Devin Marston on October 18, 2011 at 4:23pm
Permalink Reply by Bruce Maughs on October 18, 2011 at 6:27pm Devin,
The way to test this by eating fish, as they die their death is painless, but yes there is the whole issue of meat and the pain memory that goes along with the meat.... Several people I know have had this issue and it comes to pass in a few months sometimes, and others are affected for life... I went through a 6 month period where most all meat was unappatizing.... Even chicken eggs have the pain in them,,,, There are some egg producing faculties that use artificial light to speed up the cycle of egg laying and get the chickens to lay eggs in a 20 hour day and the chickens feel very stressed... So try natural and use beans and nuts for protein,,,, sooner or later if you are a vegetarian, you will need some B12 supplements
But you might also look into Doshas and find your correct diet suited for you in life.... There are tests to find your Dosha type and there are foods more suited for you than others.... Please also see a doctor if you feel you need to,,, or if other foods make you sick
Love and Light
Respectfully, fish feel no pain? and their death as they suffocate is painless? Not exactly certain what if any evidence backs this up, but as someone who has fished, and hunted, etc., I have never encountered any living creature which did not feel pain, which did not suffer in its passing, including fish.
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Permalink Reply by walks on October 22, 2011 at 9:51pm But solves lots of others. Small amounts of anything. I'm not saying have a hot fudgre sundae three times a day, or for that matter a six pack, or bottle or wine a day...the list is endless. Everything in moderation. And you can get plain yogurt(less sugar) and put fresh fruit or chopped cukes, toms, and garlic. Having yogert keeps me regular and out of pain.
Permalink Reply by M on October 18, 2011 at 5:13pm keep taking good loving care of ur self sweetie...((hugs))
M
Permalink Reply by Devin Marston on October 18, 2011 at 6:56pm
Permalink Reply by walks on October 22, 2011 at 9:45pm
Permalink Reply by Cian Rhys on October 23, 2011 at 4:03am
I don't even have an urge to drink whatsoever.
Same here; but I think that is likely due to my strong dislike for hang-overs...
LoLz!
And with the way I used to drink, they lasted for days; it literally took me 3 days to get over it, last time that I did.
I'm rather glad I got over drinking, "regularly", before I even hit legal age. Heh!
Honestly, I don't know how others my age, or older, can handle excessive drinking on a regular basis...
Permalink Reply by Cian Rhys on October 23, 2011 at 3:51am
Personally, I think in this instance, it is strictly an issue of body chemistry, and not "Full-Sensory" sensitivity.
From all I have read and researched, there is no over-arching correlation between "psychic ability" and diet. Some of the most talented seer's, & sages, regularly consumed animal products, as well as drank alcohol, smoked tobacco or other substances, and utilized Entheogens.
Making sweeping generalizations with other peoples dietary concerns can actually be dangerous and harmful.
I think anyone that suggests that there is any one way, that is "best" for everyone, likely has serious control issues, is emotionally biased / attached, and or is extremely ill-informed and ignorant.
Listen to your body; ( not other peoples opinions ) follow your own intuition, it will inform you of what it requires to function most effectively, at any given time.
Every bodies chemistry is unique, and does undergo changes as it matures. For myself I'm continually shifting, and have been over the past 2 decades, through several different cycles of food consumption; those being, Vegetarian, Ovo-Lacto Vegetarian, and Omnivorous.
I can see how the actual occurrence of death would be considered "painless"; but the acts animals are subjected to, to reach that state... not so much.
Animals certainly feel pain; but I also feel that they do not have a concept of dying, or death, as we humans tend to perceive it.
It also stands to reason, that the fear they experience, is vastly different from our own, as it is strictly an instinct, a "survival mechanism" to them; and likely does not carry an emotional, or rational component, as it tends to, with Humans.
I feel that is where much of the resistant "emotional" component, that humans have with this topic, derives from; we project our perceptions about dying / death, onto the animals.
Personally, I have no emotional attachment to raising livestock for consumption, slaughter, or the eating of animal product's; though feel it's most appropriate when done with respect and a lack of cruelty.
In order for humans to live, we must inflict death. This is a currently unavoidable consequence of our current manifestation. Even if we were to eat nothing but carrion, our digestive system would be "killing" countless numbers of bacteria.
In terms of the sanctity of life, humans have forever been rationalizing and attempting to establish levels for purposes of rationalization and justification of our actions. This is a typical hypocritical action resultant of fear and desires of the ego. From my personal subjective perspective, either one accepts that all life is sacred, or, one accepts that they are manifesting fear, ego, sociopathy, or some combination thereof. Whether one subscribes to science, or theology, or a combination of the two, both espouse the oneness of all things.
One of the measures of any society is in how it treats and deals with those living things which it values the least. In the United States, we have but to give a cursory examination to find the elderly sent to secure storage sites to await death, unwanted "animals" either turned loose in conditions where there death is a virtual certainty or sent again to secure sites for storage and extermination, "animals" propagated / traded / used with no regard for the sanctity of life, food treated like a commodity rather than something which is vital for our existence and required the death of countless other living things in order to manifest on our table. And that is not even scratching the surface.
The prayer before meals was derived from traditions most likely dating back before written history, that were targeted at thanking Creation and the being(s) that were being consumed for their sacrifice. Before that, one can infer that we pretty much killed and consumed whatever we were capable of without regard for our actions. Clearly at some point, there was a break, an change of consciousness, a recognition of the impact we were having on other beings. We are currently on the precipice of yet another such change, one from which we will either take the next leap, or fall back into the abyss.
Labels, and the act of labeling and conceptualizing, as in "animal" are currently necessary tools, albeit tools which we unconsciously frequently use in ways which are more detrimental than beneficial. "Animal" is classic in that it denotes otherness, separation, racism, hypocrisy, and devaluation. As humans, we frequently assess and judge everything around us as if we are the most intelligent and valuable beings / things on our mother. How hypocritical, how egotistical, how conceited and ignorant. Would we even be here if it were not for air, for water, for the uncountable things that our mother provides for us like gravity, radiation protection, etc? We wouldn't even survive if it were not for single cell bacteria that exist inside us. To say that one life form is more or less valuable, or important than any other is sociopathy that ignores the basic truths of our very existence. Labeling and conceptualizing so often are used to provide to salve / justification that our inner selves need in order to feel okay with perpetuating the lies and ego constructs we fabricate.
I would agree that "animals" tend to accept death more easily in most cases than humans, although for a different reason. We, as has been mentioned, usually have some fear and emotional issues regarding death. This is not to construe that "animals" do not have have emotions, or emotional issues, for this has been demonstrated. However, my personal subjective perspective is that they are at one with Creation, they manifest in the moment, and from this perspective, as many monks of assorted theologies can and have attested, death is not something that must be feared or even have angst generated over. From this perspective, the moment of death becomes as simple and painless as taking the next breath. There is no attachment, etc, it is just a transition. And in terms of a concept of death, aside from other evidence, I have personally witnessed the beings who remain mourn over the loss of another being whom they were attached to. And for the "logic" of "higher order" beings...it ignores the simple truth of both science and theology...as is above, so is below, as is within, so is without, as is microscopic, so is macroscopic.
may we all learn to
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